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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v. PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., February 15, 2012 Page 101 C2frdau3 1 witness, we would have otherwise called Ms. Conrad in order to 2 elicit these facts, so somebody looking back on this record 3 later on has no misimpression of a defendant calling a witness 4 who the government selectively decides to immunize. We were 5 going to call this witness ourselves. We made a decision that 6 her testimony is in the public interest; that's why we are 7 seeking the immunity. I just wanted to make that clear to your 8 Honor. 9 THE COURT: Fine. Ms. Sternheim, if you would like, 10 you may take a seat in the jury box during her examination. 11 MS. STERNHEIM: Thank you, Judge. 12 THE COURT: Let's bring out Ms. Conrad. 13 MS. STERNHEIM: Your Honor, may I take the seat 14 closest? 15 THE DEFENDANT: Yes, come on down. 16 CATHERINE M. CONRAD, 17 called as a witness by the defendant, 18 having been duly sworn, testified as follows: 19 THE COURT: Would you take a seat and state your full 20 name and spell your name slowly for the court reporter. 21 THE WITNESS: Catherine with a C,C-A-T-H-E-R-I-N-E, 22 Conrad, C-O-N-R-A-D. 23 THE COURT: Mr. Gair, you may inquire. 24 DIRECT EXAMINATION 25 BY MR. GAIR: ... (Continued on next page) Page 101 - Page 104 (26) SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS