Document A-5644

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., February 15, 2012 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 137 1 Q. Okay. 2 A. I don't live an extravagant lifestyle like Mr. Daugerdas. 3 Q. Would you consider that Mr. Daugerdas was a financially successful lawyer? 4 5 A. Sure, ripping off the government. 6 Q. And would you consider that -- 7 A. And this was only after the trial, might I add. 8 Q. Would you consider -- 9 A. In keeping with the verdict that myself and eleven other 10 jurors rendered against your client. 11 Q. Would you agree with me that you have not been very 12 financially successful as a lawyer? 13 A. I am fine, thank you. 14 Q. Okay. How is it that you're able to pay your $800 a month 15 in rent? 16 A. You got that from the financial affidavit as well this 17 morning. Yes. From savings. 18 Q. And is that how you pay all your expenses, from savings? 19 A. I don't have a lot of expenses, so, yes, I'm going to need 20 a job soon. I'm sure your office is not going to hire me, 21 but -- 22 Q. Now, Ms. Conrad, when you filled out this affidavit today 23 did you understand that the purpose of this affidavit was to 24 allow the Court to determine whether or not you had the 25 financial need for Ms. Sternheim to be appointed and funded by C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 138 1 the federal court? 2 A. However that's relevant, but yes. 3 Q. Now, when you were asked back on December 20th if you owned 4 any stocks or bonds, you replied to the Court "none of your 5 business." Is that correct? 6 A. If it's in the transcript, I probably said it, sir. I 7 don't specifically recall. 8 Q. First I'm just asking if you remember it. 9 A. No, not offhand. 10 Q. So let's look at the transcript on page 12. You are asked 11 on line 13, "Do you own any stocks or bonds?" 12 And you said to the Court on line 14, "None of your 13 business." 14 Does that refresh your memory that when the Court 15 asked a question about your ownership of stocks and bonds you 16 said "none of your business"? 17 A. Not specifically, but I see it written in front of me, so I 18 must have said it. 19 Q. But it was the Court's business, was it not? 20 A. That -- I don't know. 21 Q. Why did you say "none of your business"? 22 A. It's probably what I felt at the time. 23 Q. Now, when Judge Pauley asked you or instructed you to take 24 the oath so that he could ask you questions about your 25 financial situation, you refused to take the oath, is that C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 139 1 correct? 2 A. I don't recall. 3 Q. And when Judge Pauley advised you that you should get a 4 lawyer, retain a lawyer, you told him, "I'll retain myself or 5 my husband, the convicted felon," is that correct? 6 A. If it's written somewhere I probably said it. I don't 7 specifically recall, sorry. 8 Q. So you don't remember telling the Court that you would 9 either retain yourself or your husband the convicted felon? 10 A. Where are you directing me to look at? 11 Q. I'm asking you if you remember it, ma'am? 12 A. Not specifically. 13 Q. Do you have memory problems? 14 A. Certainly not. 15 Q. Certainly not. Never had blackouts, I take it? 16 A. I remember every day of this trial. 17 Q. Have you ever had a blackout? 18 A. No. 19 Q. And you have no memory problems? 20 A. No, sir. 21 Q. And yet you don't remember telling the Court, "I'll retain 22 myself or my husband the convicted felon"? 23 A. Not specifically. 24 Q. Is your husband a convicted felon? 25 A. Yes, sir. C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 140 1 Q. Did you remember that on March 1 and 2nd of 2011 or did you 2 forget? 3 A. Sir, I did not reveal that to the Court. 4 Q. Did you remember it was my question. 5 A. Well, I'm answering part two of your question that's not 6 asked yet, but yes. 7 Q. So you did remember that, right? 8 A. To repeat it a third time, yes. 9 Q. Now, Ms. Conrad, do you remember that at the start of the 10 voir dire in this case Judge Pauley explained the purpose of 11 voir dire? 12 A. I believe so, yes. 13 Q. Do you remember that he explained that voir dire means to 14 speak the truth. Do you remember that? 15 A. Yes, sir. 16 Q. And do you remember that Judge Pauley explained to you and 17 everybody else on the venire that that's precisely what you had 18 just been sworn to do, to speak the truth. 19 A. Veneer, yes. 20 Q. Do you remember that he explained to you that the purpose, 21 the purpose of voir dire was to make sure that we have a jury 22 of citizens who will decide the issues in this case fairly and 23 impartially and without any bias or prejudice in favor of 24 either side or against either side. Do you remember saying 25 that? MINI-Script SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS (35) Page 137 - Page 140 DOJ-OGR-00009927 --- PAGE BREAK --- UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL., February 15, 2012 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 137 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 139 1 Q. Okay. 1 correct? 2 A. I don't live an extravagant lifestyle like Mr. Daugerdas. 2 A. I don't recall. 3 Q. Would you consider that Mr. Daugerdas was a financially 3 Q. And when Judge Pauley advised you that you should get a 4 successful lawyer? 4 lawyer, retain a lawyer, you told him, "I'll retain myself or 5 A. Sure, ripping off the government. 5 my husband, the convicted felon," is that correct? 6 Q. And would you consider that -- 6 A. If it's written somewhere I probably said it. I don't 7 A. And this was only after the trial, might I add. 7 specifically recall, sorry. 8 Q. Would you consider -- 8 Q. So you don't remember telling the Court that you would 9 A. In keeping with the verdict that myself and eleven other 9 either retain yourself or your husband the convicted felon? 10 jurors rendered against your client. 10 A. Where are you directing me to look at? 11 Q. Would you agree with me that you have not been very 11 Q. I'm asking you if you remember it, ma'am? 12 financially successful as a lawyer? 12 A. Not specifically. 13 A. I am fine, thank you. 13 Q. Do you have memory problems? 14 Q. Okay. How is it that you're able to pay your $800 a month 14 A. Certainly not. 15 in rent? 15 Q. Certainly not. Never had blackouts, I take it? 16 A. You got that from the financial affidavit as well this 16 A. I remember every day of this trial. 17 morning. Yes. From savings. 17 Q. Have you ever had a blackout? 18 Q. And is that how you pay all your expenses, from savings? 18 A. No. 19 A. I don't have a lot of expenses, so yes, I'm going to need 19 Q. And you have no memory problems? 20 a job soon. I'm sure your office is not going to hire me, 20 A. No, sir. 21 but -- 21 Q. And yet you don't remember telling the Court, "I'll retain 22 Q. Now, Ms. Conrad, when you filled out this affidavit today 22 myself or my husband the convicted felon"? 23 did you understand that the purpose of this affidavit was to 23 A. Not specifically. 24 allow the Court to determine whether or not you had the 24 Q. Is your husband a convicted felon? 25 financial need for Ms. Sternheim to be appointed and funded by 25 A. Yes, sir. C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 138 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 140 1 the federal court? 1 Q. Did you remember that on March 1 and 2nd of 2011 or did you 2 A. However that's relevant, but yes. 2 forget? 3 Q. Now, when you were asked back on December 20th if you owned 3 A. Sir, I did not reveal that to the Court. 4 any stocks or bonds, you replied to the Court "none of your 4 Q. Did you remember it was my question. 5 business." Is that correct? 5 A. Well, I'm answering part two of your question that's not 6 A. If it's in the transcript, I probably said it, sir. I 6 asked yet, but yes. 7 don't specifically recall. 7 Q. So you did remember that, right? 8 Q. First I'm just asking if you remember it. 8 A. To repeat it a third time, yes. 9 A. No, not offhand. 9 Q. Now, Ms. Conrad, do you remember that at the start of the 10 Q. So let's look at the transcript on page 12. You are asked 10 voir dire in this case Judge Pauley explained the purpose of 11 on line 13, "Do you own any stocks or bonds?" 11 voir dire? 12 And you said to the Court on line 14, "None of your 12 A. I believe so, yes. 13 business." 13 Q. Do you remember that he explained that voir dire means to 14 Does that refresh your memory that when the Court 14 speak the truth. Do you remember that? 15 asked a question about your ownership of stocks and bonds you 15 A. Yes, sir. 16 said "none of your business"? 16 Q. And do you remember that Judge Pauley explained to you and 17 A. Not specifically, but I see it written in front of me, so I 17 everybody else on the venire that that's precisely what you had 18 must have said it. 18 just been sworn to do, to speak the truth. 19 Q. But it was the Court's business, was it not? 19 A. Veneer, yes. 20 A. That -- I don't know. 20 Q. Do you remember that he explained to you that the purpose, 21 Q. Why did you say "none of your business"? 21 the purpose of voir dire was to make sure that we have a jury 22 A. It's probably what I felt at the time. 22 of citizens who will decide the issues in this case fairly and 23 Q. Now, when Judge Pauley asked you or instructed you to take 23 impartially and without any bias or prejudice in favor of 24 the oath so that he could ask you questions about your 24 either side or against either side. Do you remember saying 25 financial situation, you refused to take the oath, is that 25 that? SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS (35) Page 137 - Page 140 DOJ-OGR-00009248